Mythos Conclave

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<%TiberiusAudley> Welcome to Mythos Conclave’s first Round Table open discussion. The rules are simple: Stay on topic, and use common sense. Tonight’s topic is the brand new Mythos Overworld. Not familiar with it?

<%TiberiusAudley> http://forums.mythos.com/showthread.php?t=18245 This thread explains the major points that have been reworked in this upcoming improvement.

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<%G-15> Hello everyone, welcome !

<%TiberiusAudley> So…I’d like to start things off by saying…It’s very nice we finally have a contiguous overworld. One of the things that made Mythos feel so hollow previously (other than the Fellblades and Darkhunters, of course), was the disjointed road system.

<Akuyazi> the towns sorta feel empty too

<Ferrous> I agree, and being able to avoid a few more of the loads while we get rid of the feeling of disjointed, hey. Thats a plus.

<%G-15> According to the devs, 100% of the world is done, 70% of the monster spawnes.

<Ferrous> Might run into more people as well, make it feel like an MMO

<%TiberiusAudley> The running into more people is going to help a lot in making it feel, not just like an MMO, but making it feel multiplayer period.

<%G-15> How many players could share an Overworld ?

<Deathtiny> depends on how it feels on lower end PCs to meet a large pack of ppl

<Tekn0> roughly 100-200 by their estimate

<Tekn0> they mentioned it in the forums

<Ferrous> Ive heard 200 as well

<%TiberiusAudley> They were saying something like 100 or 150, I believe. So about three times the population of the most populated Stonehill I ever saw.
<Saveme> think they want 150-200 per instance

<Akuyazi> i’ll say this now. I havent grouped with anyone since the way beginning of Closed Beta. so im looking forward to the overworld

<AsE-CSS|Darkside> 200 people or npcs?

<Tekn0> People

<%G-15> Is there any indication of the size of the Overworld yet ?

<pidoris> people

<@TaylorFSS`home> We’re looking at how many we can cram into an overworld, we really won’t know the true number until it reaches you guys. We’re thinking 100+ will be sharing an Overworld. Also, transferring from one overworld instance to the other will require you to be in a safe area.

<pidoris> real human beings

<Tekn0> overworld is what is replacing the paths betwseen cities

<%TiberiusAudley> For those of us just joining us, Welcome to the Mythos Conclave Round Table discussion. We are currently discussing the new “Overworld” that will be added to Mythos and the repercussions (both positive and negative) it will have on the game.

<Tekn0> It’s going to be a giant instance

<Sore> can we change instances to meet friends that may be in another?

<Ferrous> Taylor, will transferring from the overworld into an epic put you into a safe area?

<Saveme> kinda on the lines of what GW2 was planning

<Ferrous> Thats something thats needed to be done for a while

<%TiberiusAudley> This is not meant to be a Q&A with the Devs, but rather a forum for the free interchange of ideas regarding the Overworld, please, save questions regarding the system, and merely present opinions and statements regarding how you feel it will affect the game.

<Badazz> Give us a brief description.. I am a newb so I dont fully understand the concept

<Ferrous> Ah, Well like I said. Running into people now is going to be great

<%G-15> First thing first, swtiching between overworlds.

<%TiberiusAudley> — First Topic — Switching Between Overworlds

<%TiberiusAudley> If you’re still unfamiliar with the concept of the Overworld, check out the thread Travis posted regarding it: http://forums.mythos.com/showthread.php?t=18245

<%G-15> Cities already allow it.

<Ferrous> The few I have been with have made the game that much more amazing, and the overworld will just multiply that exponentially hopefully

<%G-15> From what I saw, cities are now part of the Overworlds

<Ferrous> Until I run into someone named Exparte, then I will be sad

<@TaylorFSS`home> Correct G-15

<%G-15> Which means switching will probably be allowed everywhere.

<reload> What’s going to make it feel more like an MMORPG other then just other players being in an overworld together.. and with so few in one, how much purpose does it really have?

<@TaylorFSS`home> Switching is not allowed everywhere

<%G-15> Ar at least in the vicinity of a city.

<%TiberiusAudley> The hubs are. They said Stonehill is currently a separate instance, aside from Stonehill Market and Stonehill Valley.

<Akuyazi> i’ve read that as well

<Firedogking> was answered

<Saveme> As in Instances of the overworld?

<%TiberiusAudley> Regarding Taylor’s comment — switching not being allowed everywhere. I think that’ll be key for places like the Shadowlands. I know I tended to jump to a different town instance anytime I got ambushed in town.

<Akuyazi> yes

<Ferrous> I like the idea of it being in a city only, and in somewhere safe. Hey! I just switched ‘districts’… Oh wait.. While I was loading I died.
<Firedogking> wimp.

<%TiberiusAudley> — Second Topic — The Overworld’s Effect on PvP

<Saveme> More space to pvp is good

<%TiberiusAudley> It’s definitely gonna make the Shadowlands a much more viable medium of PvP.

<Ferrous> Yep

<Akuyazi> shadowlands is on its own now right?

<%TiberiusAudley> More roads…hopefully they’ll introduce zones of control.

<Akuyazi> you cant switch anymore

<Ferrous> As it is, you just switch to an empty ditrict and go with it

<%TiberiusAudley> Yes, Shadowlands will be SHADOWLANDS ONLY for anyone who is Shadowlands
<%TiberiusAudley> I’m most likely going to go pure Shadowlands, myself. But…that’s just because I like it rough.

<%G-15> No switching back and forth anymore.

<Ferrous> As will I

<Ferrous> Unless I’m going to drop that DC I just farmed for

<%TiberiusAudley> But, the major beauty of it is that you don’t travel just on roads…it’s an OPEN world, so if you’re being chased in PvP, duck into a fucking forest. X-D

<super-entE> i think its a good idea so the people would be connected better, the feeling of sometimes be alone will left i think

<@TaylorFSS`home> Forests are helpful hehe

<Ferrous> Well, considering I like to stack movement speed

<Deathtiny> and LoS with hills etc.

<Ddr> yes, only have 5 people in a map (if you’re partied) is rly lame, it’s better to meet up and such

<Ferrous> You aint gonna catch me ;D

<SimonSaysBaka> I for one love the forest the big new trees

<firemothzx> given the size of an overworld, how often are we likely to see other players around?

<Firedogking> don’t worry Ferrous I will just stun you

<%G-15> super-entE: I agree, this will bloster the impression of being with many people in a single universeé

<Firedogking> and then your mine!

<%TiberiusAudley> Zones of control, though, seriously would be a nicie thing to see in the overworld. Places like vendors… I’d love to see a guild set up around Gussen Farm “Nope, sorry you can’t venture to see Rufus today. We’ve got Clum camped.”

<%TiberiusAudley> For PvP, anyway.

<Akuyazi> so there’s diffrences in elevation and that affects skills too

<Ferrous> Really now?

<Firedogking> so if we have water and ponds added to the overworld.. does that mean.. possibly fishing someday?

<Saveme> or a trade system like silkroads would be fun too

<Akuyazi> but how would that work

<Akuyazi> with many instances

<firemothzx> I would still like to see the ability to switch between shadowlands and normal - ie, Optional PVP without having to start a dedicated pvp char

<%TiberiusAudley> — Third Topic — Elevation!?!

<Saveme> HahahahaIm on a hill your meteors cant touch me!!!

<%TiberiusAudley> Gonna grab something Travis said real quick…regarding Elevation and its effects on skill.

<Ddr> Elevation would hurt pyrocasters and marksmen, no?

<SimonSaysBaka> hmm yea how will break blade work

<AsE-CSS|Darkside> i’d like to add one thing about this idea

<Akuyazi> add it

<AsE-CSS|Darkside> you might take a look at this becoming into a ‘blob’ type mmo

<%TiberiusAudley> The structure of the overworld is fundamentally different in a lot of ways. AOE and ricochet skills won’t be as effective as they are in enclosed dungeon spaces ( or the old enclosed outdoor spaces ). Height also figures in - your meteor nova won’t track up and over the rise of a hill, it’ll hit it. Terrain makes a difference. Big trees make a difference, as do bodies of water, bridges, buildings, etc.

<AsE-CSS|Darkside> such as eve-online

<AsE-CSS|Darkside> i myself quit because of the blobing

<super-entE> but i think theres much work to do, only the ki for the guards of town must be a big job

<Firedogking> can we swim away from folks?

<%TiberiusAudley> That brings up the question on whether or not aiming will be “smart”…Hopefully characters will know to aim down-hill, rather than in a straight line.

<Reader> ricochet will work wonders except on rises

<Ferrous> I think youll aim wherever you click, so if you click down a hill

<Ferrous> Theres a good chance if it becomes a flat surface you just hit it at an angle

<Ferrous> and you have to move down

<%TiberiusAudley> I hope they’ve already accounted for the differences in elevations and aiming…

<Ferrous> or aim elsewhere

<Ferrous> Yea

<Ferrous> Hopefully

<Ferrous> I see it working like that tho

<Ddr> tesla builds are constantly being bashed, i think elevation will make ppl hate them more considering they have no aiming system

<Ferrous> ^

<Ferrous> Minions wont require aiming

<%TiberiusAudley> The game already has a physics engine, so it should work well enough to be able to “figure out” which way to explode. I’d like to see Deafening Explosion work in a sphere shape now, rather than a Nova.

<BMLeo> can we get some jumping?

<Firedogking> I wonder if Monster ai will be changed to take advantge of the new landscape?

<%TiberiusAudley> Jumping…is useless. You cannot escape the Quad Laser.

<Ferrous> I could move to the side

<Ferrous> by like an inch

<BMLeo> well how about digging holes

<%TiberiusAudley> Digging holes? Sounds like a job for a Geomancer class!

<Ddr> idk about you guys but ponds = hiding under water as a tesla

<%TiberiusAudley> That sounds dangerous, Ddr.

<Firedogking> yeah it does

<%TiberiusAudley> Teslas firing while you’re under water? Sounds…shocking.

<Firedogking> I mean its .. Electricity.. you would electrocute yourself.

<super-entE> what about splitting health potions or intrigents ?

<@TaylorFSS`home> Stack splitting is definitely something we need

<Firedogking> Steal the code from FSS/HGL.

<Firedogking> they just announced stack splitting

<Ferrous> For sure

<%TiberiusAudley> — Topic Four — Monster Respawns in the Overworld…

<SimonSaysBaka> btw does anyone know if there are any new textures or perhaps reflect effects on the water?

<Akuyazi> spawn camping?

<%G-15> Current spawn rate is way too highé

<%G-15> high*

<%TiberiusAudley> There was someone on the forums complaining about the monster respawns and respawn camping…

<Ferrous> Their going to have to respawn with people on the screen now

<BMLeo> Can we get less but stronger monsters

<Saveme> just hope respawns aren’t like those other free MMOs where 50 people are killing them

<%G-15> As soon as we leave an area, poof, everything respawrns

<Ferrous> Otherwise people are just going to be blocking respawns

<Deathtiny> camping only happens if the mobs there can be better farmed for crafting-mats that elsewhere in the world

<Firedogking> I would love it the monsters. .. chased you more.

<%TiberiusAudley> I personally like the idea of monster respawns…as long as its kept fluid.

<reload> it needs to, what if another player comes into the same area

<@TaylorFSS`home> ya, a smooth respawn rate would be nice to have

<reload> it’s already a pain in the ass dealing with a KS’er.

<Ddr> maybe respawns get stronger each time they respawn making it harder to camp for hours?

<Ddr> the only way to weaken spawns is to leave and come back to the area?

<SimonSaysBaka> Hmm i sure hope it will work

<BMLeo> Will monsters wander more eventually

<Firedogking> I had a boss thatwas a blinker literally Blink from the dungeon to the above where I had respawned after Dying.

<Reader> imps are such losers…..they barely do anything

<Ferrous> Good luck with your melee builds, I can SS that mob before you get close :D!

<Firedogking> I have a screenshot of the boss that ported to follow me from the dungeon to dungeon safezone entrance.

<Firedogking> I know thats a bug but I think thats atually cool.

<%TiberiusAudley> I know Mabinogi countered monster spawn camping by making you get less and less EXP for each kill you got in the same area.

<%TiberiusAudley> By 5% at a time

<Deathtiny> well if your AEs do less damage / the exp is worse compared to dungeons .. only special drops/materials can make you want to camp

<Ferrous> Which is a horrible idea

<%TiberiusAudley> Mabinogi’s another game with a contiguous overworld and instanced dungeons..

<Firedogking> never heard of it.

<Ferrous> Getting less exp for being in the same area isnt a good idea, maybe base it off smaller areas

<%TiberiusAudley> And it’s handled fairly well considering the game doesn’t have a random dungeon generator
<%G-15> Tiberius, Most MMOs are like that

<Nuadre> well, they’ve already said that you’ll get less exp in the overworld

<Ddr> i think xp lessened or monsters strengthened would make it more interesting

<Nuadre> than in dungeons… the only concern I’d have is quest that require mobs from the overworld

<%TiberiusAudley> Cutting EXP wouldn’t be enough, I vote cutting drop rates too!

<super-entE> less xp in same areas is bad for newbs …

<AsE-CSS|Darkside> 19:30… %TiberiusAudley: I know Mabinogi countered monster spawn camping by making you get less and less EXP for each kill you got in the same area. {-Good Idea-}

<%G-15> Spawn camping will probably not be that big of a problem.

<Ferrous> Lets just cut everything

<Firedogking> lol

<BMLeo> I propose a camo index that would make you more invisible depending on how much your clothes match the area

<%G-15> I suppose most quest will happen in dugeons.

<Ferrous> and turn it into maplestory isometric view!

<Ferrous> Yea!

<Ddr> but how would you determine you ‘left an area’ if you have an open world?

<Ferrous> Making everything slower is a bad idea

<%TiberiusAudley> Hrm…Nuadre brings up a good point and a great segue to the next topic…

<%TiberiusAudley> — Subject 5 — Quests, in the Overworld!

<Saveme> Make us explore by leaving a few quests in Isolated areas

<Firedogking> Well I like the idea of cool Epic quest chains.

<%TiberiusAudley> One of the best things about the new overworld is that it’ll allow for some quests to be taken OUT of dungeons…and put them where
multiple quests can be completed simultaneously, rather than shoving them into individual dungeons…

<throwawayloki> i thought they were making everyting faster

<%TiberiusAudley> Throwing them all in isolated instances makes it so tedious to complete those first quests of the game.

<%G-15> We still need to see how big the Overworld actually is, and how mayn landmarks there is.

<throwawayloki> that is true

<super-entE> can we have mor big bosses in the end of quest, like epic quests

<Ddr> agreed, it makes starting out so slow

<Firedogking> I want roving Giant bosses on the overworld that are random.

<Saveme> to support 200 It would need to be fairly large or it’ll be very crowded

<BMLeo> more quests less space rock mining

<throwawayloki> i think we should have more “known” bosses, they all just seem to be thrown in

<DrWaffles> I was thinking today there should be some “Boss Epic Maps” that are DROP only

<@TaylorFSS`home> in due time Firedog, currently the overworld isn’t big enough to have giants roaming around

<Firedogking> hehe

<%TiberiusAudley> Raskolnikov on the forums linked a video for Warhammer Online, regarding quests…and they had something called Exploration quests — Saveme just touched on that. We really do need quests that encourage epxploring the world.

<SimonSaysBaka> I love bosses! CRATZARD!

<DrWaffles> ^^^

<Arox> how big IS the overworld?

<Nuadre> ideally, the quests that require mobs in the overworld would spawn the mobs if you have the quest when you near the correct area

<%TiberiusAudley> Well then, Taylor…Time to make it bigger. Tell Grimby to increase scale 6,000%!
<super-entE> thats what i meant throwawayloki

<reload> Money seems hard to come by as well… i struggle just to pay for my potions.

<Firedogking> Reload money is hard early.

<SimonSaysBaka> yea bigger is better

<Firedogking> it comes easy late.

<reload> I see.

<Akuyazi> they need more unique style quests besides go and kill w/e

<Reader> especially elite

<Deathtiny> yep questgiver gives you a camera and you have to find and screen some points in the overworld

<Firedogking> as you get higher levels the mobs drop more coin.

<reload> Hard to get higher when you have to go die 3 times to kill a mob because you can’t afford the potions ;p

<DrWaffles> i saw a post saying that the overworld patch would ease on the pc usage

<%TiberiusAudley> The only problem with questing in the overworld would be the fact that it’s so shared…

<Firedogking> well less loading.

<Akuyazi> did they say if each zone would be its own overworld, or would it be one huge one

<Nuadre> i believe they said each zone is its own, aku

<Saveme> but they’ll probably be connected

<%TiberiusAudley> They mentioned random spawning of Champions in the overworld…It’d be nice if there was l ike a “Hunter’s Guild: Most Wanted!” list that streamed/updated every time a new champion roamed the Overworld…and players could gain quest rewards/rewards from th at guild for killing the Champion
<throwawayloki> is there a way to fix the problem of enemies killing you before you can move when you change floors in a dungeon?

<Firedogking> throw are you talking epic dungoens?

<BMLeo> oh shit remember that boss from diablo 2

<BMLeo> the giant bug that caused freezing and deaths

<Ferrous> Talyor mentioned a safe area earlier

<DrWaffles> lol the really big one?

<BMLeo> duriel

<throwawayloki> ya

<Ferrous> Wait til later ans ask him

<Firedogking> Epic dungoens require groups.

<Firedogking> thats really the point of them.

<throwawayloki> we are talking about quests

<Ddr> will there be quests that require groupds? that you CAN’T solo?

<Saveme> Big World = More Quests in one zone
<Ddr> groups*

<Ferrous> Id like some group quests as well

<Ferrous> That would be great

<reload> Avoiding quests that need 3 of this, 4 of that and kill 50 of those…. would be a good start.

<Akuyazi> i like the wanted list you mentioned earlier

<Reader> i would like a find item here and bring it back quest more often

<%TiberiusAudley> • Quests no longer have to send you to a dungeon. The types and variety of quests that we can do should expand greatly as a result of this – hunt down a band of Bandits threatening the northern road! Find a rare berry growing in the mountains for an Apothecary! Fend off an attack on Stonehill Market! We’re extremely excited by the quest opportunities this opens up for us.

<Ferrous> Being able to solo all of the games content just makes it feel like a chatroom attached to a game, where you occasionally run into someone

<Firedogking> there should be seperate quests that Lead to epic dungeons

<throwawayloki> i agree with the wanted list

<Ddr> Ye, group quests where you need like 5 different builds to complete it because they have to do a certain task?

<SimonSaysBaka> I want a quest where i get to kill crabs

<Ferrous> ^

<Firedogking> Lobsters.

<Firedogking> I love lobsters.

<Ferrous> Crabs vs Lobsters

<super-entE> with an big world you can make some go out and find quest

<AsE-CSS|Darkside> reload even if it is about finding an item it still involves killing so not much changes in the quest

<%TiberiusAudley> I really love the idea of the “Fend off an attack on Stonehill Market”…You’re sitting there at the vendor, and suddenly you hear a commotion, and lo and behold, you see a mass of Hollows rushing you.

<%TiberiusAudley> Finally, we have the potential for a Defend the Siege sort of quest.

<Ferrous> Which you take out with one PB

<%TiberiusAudley> Timed quests…

<Saveme> Escort Quest

<Deathtiny> excort .. siege

<Nuadre> ugh, i hate timed quests

<Ddr> or just camp a tesla on the edge of the market, ha

<Akuyazi> was about to say escort quests

<SimonSaysBaka> oh yea timed love those

<Reader> more random quests like they have in fate would be nice…though maybe to similar

<Firedogking> Survival quests.. As in how many mobs can you stop before you die?

<%TiberiusAudley> Escorts would be a lot easier now. Learn the spawn points…take your client through the forests to avoid ‘em all

<throwawayloki> timed quests would be ok, but they would get annoying fast

<Akuyazi> random npc’s in the overworld give you quest to escort them to safe area

<%TiberiusAudley> And you don’t have to worry about your NPC going and getting itself mauled.

<BMLeo> the escorts should be relative to your stats

<AsE-CSS|Darkside> survival would actually be very interesting, i dont think i have seen a mmo do that before

<%TiberiusAudley> But their Overworld opens so much potential for new quests, such as Defense, Survival, Escort, Exploration, and Hunting sorts of quests…

<super-entE> what happens if you failed ?

<BMLeo> like 75% stats compared to you

<Ddr> clients being escorted should maybe be a class\build that is opposite of you to make it more challenging

<%TiberiusAudley> Same thing as if you abandon it, Super-ente.

<%TiberiusAudley> Just, you lose that potential reward and hafta start a new quest. If it’s a random quest, your reward would get rerolled.

<super-entE> i think this should be more like maps, if you failed you have to find someone new

<BMLeo> also will there be a quests per day limit

<Firedogking> I want a new type of Cartogropher quest.

<Firedogking> Group ones.

<Nuadre> oooh i like that idea, firedogking

<%TiberiusAudley> But…one of the other big portions of the Overworld patch that’s upcoming is a transition from “maps” to Runestones!

<Nuadre> cartographer quests would be fun

<throwawayloki> Ohhhhh goood idea- instead of a boss you have to fight a npc with skills that you can get as players, like pvp versus a comp

<%TiberiusAudley> — Topic 6 — Runestones and Runegates

<Akuyazi> nice segway

<Firedogking> Epic Carto quests that would require groups.

<Reader> is there a way to keep the game from being level 2-8 to go here and instead being 1-50 on all quests

<%TiberiusAudley> From Travis — We also now have the concept of Runestones and Runegates, which are basically the new form of ‘purchaseable’ map. Runegates are scattered around the overworld, each with a different color. You can purchase Runestones, which unlock these gates and let you travel to special random dungeons. You can also travel to any opened Runegates that party members may be in. Don’t worry, there will be Epic Runestones

<Saveme> I gotta catch up on that subject

<Firedogking> Nice.

<SimonSaysBaka> those will come in handy

<Nuadre> do the runestones take up inventory space?

<+whiskey> can we get a logbook? Even something old school that simply lets user type note and save it. A more robust log that recorded where crafting items were sold and resources dropped would rock.

<Firedogking> Epic runestones now Epic CARtogrophery quests would be Sick.

<%TiberiusAudley> Nuadre: From the description, I assume Runestones are just a reworded form of “Map”

<super-entE> is there also a “town portal” charm ?

<Akuyazi> the town portal charm is new as well

<Firedogking> super its called REcall charm and the hearthstone.

<Akuyazi> “Your Recall Charms now take you back to an actual town ( and open a return portal there ). This is not only handy, but provides you with an easy way to get your party members in to play with you right away without any tedious trekking through random woods.

<Ddr> maybe a seperate slot that would be called ‘Runestones’ in your inventory?

<Akuyazi> log book would be cool

<%TiberiusAudley> Instead of, Hey, open up a map and it’s added to your atlas…

<throwawayloki> will there be a limit to the runstones being active, liek there awas a limit to areas in your map?

<%TiberiusAudley> You take a runestone to a random runegate portal, activate the runestone, and venture off to your dunngeon.

<Nuadre> ah ok, so they’d be added to your atlas like where you can warp now, cool, thx

<Saveme> My guess is the Runegate is a dungeon entrance but the Runestone is the Map Code.

<%TiberiusAudley> The good thing about it is that they don’t disappear, they bind to you, one at at ime…

<%TiberiusAudley> So you can FINALLY leave a dungeon.

<Firedogking> Awesome

<Ddr> will the runestones be tied to a runegate or will it just be any stone to any gate

<%TiberiusAudley> And come back after a true town run.

<Reader> cool

<Akuyazi> you acn only have one active dungeon

<throwawayloki> is there a limit to runestones active at one time??????????

<Akuyazi> if you goto another

<Sore> I like that idea1

<%TiberiusAudley> • When entering a dungeon, it remains ‘anchored’ for you. That means that I can walk into a cave, walk back out, wander around, and then come right back to the same cave I was in. You are allowed one ‘anchored’ dungeon at a time, so entering another dungeon will ‘reroll’ the one you were in.

<Akuyazi> the first one would reroll

<%G-15> I guess you choose the colour.

<%TiberiusAudley> I would assume one, Loki.

<%G-15> And it opens corresponding runestones

<Firedogking> Summary of topics.. Elevation, Quests, Runescapes…. what I forget.
<%G-15> one corresponding*

<Akuyazi> i think there are just diffrent colored ones

<AsE-CSS|Darkside> suvival/seige type quests on areas would be cool, where you have to either survive for a certain time or get a certain amount of consecutive kills

<Ddr> so now instead of being ganked on entering an epic you’ll be able to re-enter numerous times?

<%TiberiusAudley> Firedogking: It’s all being logged and will be organized/posted later

<throwawayloki> do the colors dictate difficulty????

<Akuyazi> and diffrent color stones would open up corresponding gate

<Firedogking> ok cool

<%TiberiusAudley> We really don’t know what the colors dictate, if anything at all.

<%TiberiusAudley> Who knows, maybe it dictates the tileset type?

<Akuyazi> it’s probably so everyone isnt at just one gate

<Ddr> runestones wont be tied to certain gates i hope

<Akuyazi> you have to go out and find the gate to your runestone

<%TiberiusAudley> I seriously doubt they will be, Ddr

<throwawayloki> maybe it dictates what type of creatures are found in the dungeon

<Firedogking> new Achievements based on quests completed in the overworld.. like greater chance of .. runestones dropping.

<%TiberiusAudley> I honestly hope the colors, if they dictate anything at all, dictate the tilesets. I’ve always wanted a method to choose the type of tileset I’m going to

<%TiberiusAudley> Who knows, maybe we’ll get more MOSSY GOTHIC

<Nuadre> after the new overworld, will there still be temporary maps dropping and purchaseable from the cartographers?

<Akuyazi> a +movement speed in overworld achievement would be cool

<Nuadre> or will it all switch to runestones

<%TiberiusAudley> Probably switch to Runestones

<SimonSaysBaka> how much faster is the walk speed now?

<%TiberiusAudley> They didn’t mention, Simon

<%TiberiusAudley> Just “We have sped up player movement speed across the board”

<SimonSaysBaka> ok ;D

<Ddr> atm, characters are decently fast, i think they are well balanced between npc speed, just certain npcs like those bloody dinosaurs on z3 epics are speedy as hell

<throwawayloki> i hate some of the tilesets tho, so that would be cool, cause a few of them dont load for me, and they are just a solid color with stuff on top

<Firedogking> upgrade your video drivers.

<Nuadre> oh and btw, i think maps drop much too commonly, they should be more rare

<%TiberiusAudley> – Topic 7 — Tilesets blending, What this means for Dungeons!

<Akuyazi> tilesets blending?

<Akuyazi> elaborate please

<BMLeo> more colors in everything, npcs, minions, and bosses?

<BMLeo> that’d be nice!

<Ddr> yes, i’m not sure what a tileset is =\

<%TiberiusAudley> Grimby touched on it the best, and I wish he were here to explain it, since he can do so better than I can

<%TiberiusAudley> But we no longer go from Green forest to Autumn forest to night time back to Green forest…

<BMLeo> you mean like walking into an ice dungeon

<%TiberiusAudley> It all blends smoothly.

<Akuyazi> tilesets are like the diffrent dungeons

<BMLeo> to a fire dungeon area

<Firedogking> So it will make sense.

<throwawayloki> maybe it measn a dungeon can transition between multiple ones?????!?!?!?

<Akuyazi> is this just in the overworld

<Ddr> oh, that will make it more nicely, i hope to see weather effects ingame more!

<Akuyazi> or for dungeons as well?

<%TiberiusAudley> Travis has mentioned that…this has an effect on how dungeons will be handled…so boss dunggeons can finally get unique appearances
without…being stuck looking like everything else

<Reader> like changing skins on something by just changing a few colors changes the whole thing?

<%TiberiusAudley> Or without having to invent an entirely new tileset

<Firedogking> So does that mean certain bosses will have special tilesets?

<%TiberiusAudley> I certainly hope so.

<throwawayloki> that would be cool

<SimonSaysBaka> yea

<Firedogking> Yeah give the game some lore.

<Akuyazi> like a boss, could have his on ‘lair’ in a dungeon that looks all weird and diffrent?

<Saveme> The Trailer kinda showed how it will blend, The Mountainess area of the map of zone 1 now looks to be exploreable

<throwawayloki> lol pink flowers all around vin graves

<Ddr> also, would i tmean that monsters correspond with the area? atm spiders in an ice cave in z3 is.. odd?

<Firedogking> Ice spiders roflmao

<Deathtiny> so a big uggly dragon can have a “handmade” dungeon with his own tileset that does not have to be complete to work for the random dungeons i hope

<SimonSaysBaka> the rivers needs Trounkeys

<%TiberiusAudley> Or we can have multiple tilesets per dungeon now, perhaps.

<%TiberiusAudley> Oh, and elevation in dungeons

<%TiberiusAudley> Maybe we can finally have dungeons that go Up!

<Akuyazi> does that mean

<Saveme> and preset dungeons as well

<Akuyazi> we’ll have more open area in dungeon

<Deathtiny> elevation in dungeons only if not random created i guess ?

<Akuyazi> or is it still mazey

<throwawayloki> ohhh, can you have enemy bodies float down a stream if they die in it?

<%TiberiusAudley> That’d be kinda disturbing, don’t ya think, Loki?

<Reader> doesn’t morag have an example of a custom tileset?

<FunKed> :/

<Firedogking> OH HORRORS!

<reload> if it went up, it wouldn’t by definition be a dungeon ;p

<%TiberiusAudley> Sittin’ downstream and all of a sudden an Urax Blackclaw corpse floats by

<Akuyazi> haha

<SimonSaysBaka> lawl

<Sore> that would be cool though

<Firedogking> I say do that for pvp.

<Ddr> ha, it’d scare the piss out of a noob if it was floating sorta upright, bobbing o.O

<Saveme> or 50 Urax corpses, I would mess around and kill them all in the river :p

<Firedogking> have a players body float by.

<Sore> or falling down a waterfall?

<Firedogking> LOL

<Reader> oh. waterfall are so cool in games… that would be nice and a graveyard

<BMLeo> would using a flame spell in a frozen section melt it to a normal cave tileset?

<throwawayloki> maybe have items float in streams?

<%TiberiusAudley> Have two more topics to discuss…first one..

<%TiberiusAudley> — Next to Last Topic — Only one Zone??

<Firedogking> um

<Akuyazi> im fine with that

<%TiberiusAudley> So…they’re going back to just Zone 1 until they can get the over zones polished up and ready…

<Akuyazi> i’ve never been to zone 2 or 3

<Saveme> I have this Zone 1 might have enough content for 20 levels

<Deathtiny> fine with an early patch with only zone 1 in

<Akuyazi> well i went to zone 2 once but didnt do anything

<Saveme> feelin*

<%TiberiusAudley> I’ll miss Harduk and Zivia.

<throwawayloki> makes sense, it would be a pain for zone 1 to use someting liek the rune system and zone 2 and 3 still use maps

<Sore> if there is a wipe, then Z1 only would be ok

<FunKed>

<Sore> i would hope z1 would scale while there is ‘only’ one zone

<firemothzx> will there be a wipe to go with this patch? otherwise high levels will feel overpowered in one zone

<Ddr> i think one zone will make it hard for lower players and boring for higher players in the end?

<SimonSaysBaka> ill mis sere my dog

<FunKed> so whens this happening?

<Reader> character wipe isn’t very much fun after i found that crafting glitch but i don’t mind 1 zone at all

<Deathtiny> as long as we have a random/endless questgiver we could still go up

<Firedogking> well thats the point TEst zone 1 then release zone 2 then add zone 3.. and then class balance.. then .. beta.

<Akuyazi> there should be a wipe

<Akuyazi> drastic changes to the system

<BMLeo> will the zone be temporarily scaled to higher levels till there are more zones

<Firedogking> will their be content in zone 1 to allow for folks ot hit 50?

<%TiberiusAudley> Well…

<%TiberiusAudley> You guys have forced it early — Final Topic — The Character Wipe!

<Akuyazi> we can combine both topics?

<Saveme> Its NEEDED

<SimonSaysBaka> yeaaa

<Reader> yes. it is

<throwawayloki> i dont think so

<Ddr> Yes, character wipes are a must

<Deathtiny> as i read it is needed as some old items do crash / get bugs up ..

<FunKed> is there anyway we can resere names tiber?

<firemothzx> depending on how long it would take for the other overworld zones to come online I guess

<Saveme> actually required

<throwawayloki> its going to happen tho

<Ddr> everyone starting out fresh will ensure all parts of the Overworld to be explored

<Akuyazi> from previous wipes

<Reader> noone likes my names so i am not worried

<Akuyazi> they just deleted character data

<SimonSaysBaka> Think of a wipe as if you just built ur new house, there are machines, tools and dust everyware. you need to clean out ur house (wipe) so you can paint and move in the furniture.

<Firedogking> I just want my character names to stay the same

<Sore> i agree, i just hate losing name placements

<Akuyazi> you stil lhad the characters though

<Akuyazi> or i might be thinking of a diffrent game

<%TiberiusAudley> Well, from Taylor…

<%TiberiusAudley> This poll is futile, it doesn’t matter if you want us to wipe or not for Overworld. The fact of the matter is we have to. There’s a new database structure, a new world, and characters will just break hehehe. I faced the same problem when I had characters setup to do media screenshots with on our test server. They put overworld in and now my game crashes if i try to get on those characters that were existing. Sorry guys, it’s just how it works
when you change this significantly. Now, whether we can reset back to level 1 or not,
that’s something that needs to be discussed in depth at a later date.
Again, this is just a heads up that it will most likely happen. If it doesn’t, then joy

<Ddr> I’m honestly not worried about names being lost except for the fact i was get ‘illegal name’

<Saveme> Personal I dont think they should have scaled quests in the new z1 because when z2 is released we’ll all be lv50

<Sore> an idea would be a blank char with our name that would be required to delete and restart

<super-entE> as long the game would be free you can do anything

<SimonSaysBaka> i love wipes i end up clean and sprinkly

<%TiberiusAudley> That was posted on the forums…So, we’re MOST LIKELY getting a wipe with the patch, due to data changes.

<firemothzx> if we you are wiping a character reset or delete wont matter

<FunKed> i see

<%TiberiusAudley> Regarding Name Reserving — that’s covered in his post.

<Firedogking> I don’t mind Zone 1 with high level content cause it could make sense to have special rune quests that lead you back to zone1.

<firemothzx> people moan about names but they will get over it

<Ddr> A wipe isn’t much of a surprise, anyone playing a beta should expect it actually.

<SimonSaysBaka> yes a wipe is in order

<%TiberiusAudley> I really felt one was in order for the Zone 3 patch, but I understand their reasons for not doing it.

<%TiberiusAudley> They wanted to test to make sure they COULD add zones without a wipe

<Deathtiny> not only that - also crafting-changes and such for higher recipes etc. have to be tested - so if they limit us too low it will not get tested

<%TiberiusAudley> Well…looks like everyone is drifting off topic again so…I guess it’s time to close this meeting of The Round Table?

<%TiberiusAudley> Anyone have any final statements they’d like to make, regarding the Overworld?

<throwawayloki> will the wipe clear our friends list?

<Saveme> More topics :p

<Sore> i suspect that it will expand quickly from being only 1 zone

<Akuyazi> Cant wait

<Nuadre> interesting chat, tiberius, thanks for hosting

<Deathtiny> bring it on

<BMLeo> more underworld less overworld

<Firedogking> I want the overlord as of 5 hours ago.

<Firedogking> I ,mean overworld

<Firedogking>

<throwawayloki> will the wipe clear our friends list

<FunKed> what exactly is the overworld? you mean the world that isn’t underground in caves?

<%TiberiusAudley> We’ll be sure to do more of these Round Tables — we had a bit of a rough start this time, due to the hasty organizing…but…we’ll
hopefully have a better presence and organization next time

<Ddr> I think Overworld is a much needed update and that this discussion will be taken into consideration before the release of Overworld.

<%TiberiusAudley> I think we’ll go for Crafting next time — mainly because I’m not quitte sure we’re ready for the arguments that will arise with PvP